Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. SS4 Gogeta simply lay for having the coolest design in the Dragonball lore. That wasn't base Goku. Base Gogeta (DBS) vs. Vegito Blue (DBS) Considering how insane and ludicrous the scaling and power creep between each arc is in DBS, I thought this would be an interesting match. filler is canon to GT so i'm not sure why it's brought up. They aren't. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. I never said he did. @karkus: People are using Goku's statement where he said "You might/probably stronger than our Beerus." This isn't like the T.O.P. Hope this helped. He only said "Looks like they have managed it". I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. He was comparing it to his fight with Beerus during his first time fighting Beerus in his God form. Universe 7 wasn’t a concept until DBS so it’s universal designation isn’t relevant. Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. I don't see Beerus stomping Broly like Gogeta did. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power.Gogeta/Broly did none of that even remotely close to what Jiren did when heavily surpressed try again. In other words, anyone with twice the energy (power) of Beerus would be 2-C. @Hizack123 Goku outright states that Broly is 'probably' stronger than Beerus. Provide the evidence Beerus stomps Broly. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. It evidently concludes that they don't think of Broly as a threat (universally) in anyway. That's an amazing power! Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. !AND HIS TRANSFORMING INTO IT WITHOUT BEING FUSED IN THEIR SUPER SAIYAN 4 STATE. Find me proof, all you doing is delaying the inevitable. So we can say that Goku is the least reliable power scaler in Dragon Ball (DB) franchise. During the Super's [Revival of F arc.] Buu used Vice Shout to collapse dimensional walls and pass through them, Gogeta and Broly were shattering entire dimensions. Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise. Beerus playing around with him is reminiscent of 50% Frieza playing around with Namek-Saga Goku which was a power level difference of only ~20x. Goku said that Beerus while sleeping is using his unretstrained power or that in the [Majin Buu arc] he said that he could take out Kid Buu, but his body gave up on him and during the entire fight Kid Buu and Goku SSJ3 was on par with each other. This is about as much a universe buster as carbon emissions are a life wiper...in fact, that very attack, after only having its polarity reversed to positive, normal ki...didn't destroy anything at all. All I want is crystal clear answers from a credible source. clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. GG. His power remained mostly undefined throughout Super other than being much stronger than SSB. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. 2 hours ago. Who wins? Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. And if they did I dare you to quote me from the movie/Toriyama or Toyotaro/any legitimate proof from a credible source to say that Broly and Gogeta was on Beerus' level. Still gogeta via scaling. Transformations do not matter, feats do not matter. Articles from a legitimate source? Blue is an absolute mismatch tho... @chasekilleen: It was said by the director Frieza had shown growth from the ToP to Broly movie. spamming is not gonna change that. Whether stronger or not Broly is hovering around that Area and Gogeta stomped him. He acknowledges that the power Jiren is showing right now isn't his full power, meaning he's likely gauging a Full Power Jiren. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. Jiren was way stronger than the team of U7 at the time. Intent: To Kill, Gogeta is NOT playing around. 30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. That is a much better debate. And questioned "How a mortal can release this much Ki?". Just can't imagine the power level of something like SSGSS3 Vegito or some crazy shit like that. Gogeta was powerful, but more powerful than Beerus is bogus, since A). It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. @karkus: Go to 3:20...He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. beerus via feats locks at universal. So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. The only time he was serious was when he fought with Goku God form. Powers and Stats. All you doing is giving implications and marketing hype from the movie's trailers and announcements. what is this a joke? He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki.He only said "Looks like they have managed it". He literally says that his power is on a God of Destruction or surpassed it. beerus is only Universal via feats. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball ... no one on this list is on his level, meaning if Gogeta doesn't take down Broly straight away, Broly will simply adapt and get too strong. ?Then how do you know that Gogeta is stronger than Beerus just because he dominated Broly...Beerus never showed 100% of his power so Goku only compared Broly's power to Beerus when he fought against him in the God of Destruction arc...There's no evidence to suggest that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful than Beerus.They might can push Beerus.But defeating him is ridiculous.Beerus has millions years more training and fighting experience than the two combined... Beerus UI (Whis said he haven't his master UI) >>>>>> Beerus full power (Goku can never see Beerus using FP) >>>> SSB gogeta >> LSSJ Broly > LB jiren = MUI Goku. B). This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. Yeah, they show something is possible, but the words connote varying degrees of likelihood. level 1. @phantasial: Stop it, go back to wanking Naruto. I don't recall Jiren bursting his way out of a dimension via force or anything like that. what's an Infinite of nothing? @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). And Jiren is the only being next to Goku Ultra Instinct that's shown to be able to can fight on par with Beerus' level. There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. There's no proof to suggest that Gogeta is even on Beerus' level.Judging by the movie.Gogeta hasn't shown anything in terms of feat wise that's even comparable to Jiren. R2: Depends on whether Gogeta Blue held back against Broly or not. And Beerus scales of off jiren and goku who shook infinite world of void, so yes he scales higher. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. Beerus utterly stomps. That was the ever-expanding, strength gaining shockwaves, not the impact. @tony501: In the manga:Belmod is able to damage all of the Gods of Destruction by capturing them in Imprisonment Balls and attacking with Energy Cards. User Info: SwadeDBFan2. The only two mortals that surpasses Beerus are Jiren and Goku with his Mastered Ultra Instinct form. In Tournament of Power, Whis personally said that: "His powers has reached the domains of a God of Destruction or potentially has even surpassed it" when Jiren only released a bit of his Ki or that he was supressed heavily. Ssj-ssj2 gogeta would be a good fight for beerus. and it better not be ''my opinion''. That literally makes no sense whatsoever. I have stated that Goku was only comparing it to Beerus when he was fighting with him at the start of the Super series when attained his God form. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. How many times do we have to keep debunking this? But he has better skill, can use hakai and UIO. I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. If we go by feats over scaling then we end up with stuff like SSG Ritual Goku > Jiren/broly. Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. Because Beerus never worried about Broly. SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. Beerus utterly stomps. Since Champa is weaker than Beerus,I put him 30% SSJ4 Gogeta. I'm not here to let you blow smoke up my butt and tell me otherwise.Provide me with evidence or don't claim otherwise especially if you have nothing to backup your claim...I am still waiting for proof that Broly is on Beerus' level... @karkus: Try again...You don't know anything about the English language. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. there was no mention of a ''mortal'' part, universe only. @phantasial: Threatning to bust the universe multiple times casually>>>>deflecting a ball that would gradually errode the universe. God Ki is needed in this fight, and even if SSJ4 Gogeta can damage hum with punches and kicks, it still most likely will be weaker than Beerus. The Z movie is irrelevant since after Super came out. Beerus and Whis themselves even acknoledged that Goku in MUI has already surpassed Beerus. Yes. Not the same as straight up busting a universe. Because Super Saiyen God or ssg goku was 70% of beerus. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was "in the domains of a God of Destruction or surpassing it" and even Belmod himself in the manga has admitted that Jiren is more powerful than him, combat wise. Please OP, this is so one sided. Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. That says Gogeta or Broly is on Beerus'level. @mainjp: When Broly attacked Frieza in his Golden form for an hour, not only Frieza didn't sustain any life threatening injuries, but Frieza was still in his Golden form.Toppo a God of Destruction in training, theorectically the weakest God of Destruction, absolutely thrashed Frieza without trying whatsoever and Jiren knocked Frieza out cold in one shot.Gogeta smashing dimensions is nothing new since Super Buu nearly succeded in doing that whilst Gohan was absorbed.That's not impressive at all... Jiren's 'hint of his true power' made Goku revert back to his base form, because he realized how powerful he truly was and Vegeta said that Jiren's Ki was the 'heaviest ki I have ever felt'. 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