Frieza is supposed to be a type of guy that no one can touch, it just waters down his status if there's King Cold and some other members of his family who are of similar or higher power. Cold wasn't a threat to him; he was just his retired father. 543 Anime Fans. So, there is really no retcon. So yes, Freeza was stronger than King Cold. Is this the biggest UNSEEN FIGHT in Dragon Ball History? I mean look at Super, he didnt bring his father back because he didnt want Cold around anymore, something that was probably always in his mind but could execute it just yet? If King Cold was weaker, Freeza would have probably killed him and taken the official title of King. There are a few options here: 1. Because of the way they acted when they went to Earth. A couple scenes later, Vegeta says that he can sense Frieza and another energy even stronger then him. the opening of the broly movie shows him retiring and placing frieza directly in charge of the frieza force, so he was really only a king in name as frieza held the command, we don't actually know what cold was up to between that point and nameks destruction. That's ridiculous. King Cold (コルド大王, Korudo Daiō) is the father of both Frieza and Cooler, and the clandestine leader of the Planet Trade Organization. 2 hours ago We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. By his own account, as well as that of his son Frost, he easily outstrips both Frost and Frieza in terms of power. Seems like a really minor thing to rant about. Frieza was supposed to be the most powerful being in the universe. Also its stated King Cold might be stronger than Frieza. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Making an educated guess, I'd say King Cold did not love Frieza but did not despise him either. King Cold gave him his position and didn't look interested in being in charge, so why would Freeza kill him? We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. The Daizenshuu indicates that … Did Trunks vs King Cold in Dragon Ball Z prove anything? May 1, 2017 16:03:59 GMT. Also note that Cold's existence isn't really a retcon, Freeza mentions his "parents" before Cold ever appears. I just cant see Freeza having any loyalty. I see no reason for Freeza to keep his father alive other than the fact that maybe he WAS stronger than Freeza? King Cold is weaker than his son, and the Super Broly movie pretty much explains why he was no longer running the show. Vegeta was stronger than his dad so why must Cold be stronger than Freeza in your opinion? Freeza also mentions the existence of his parents during his fight with Goku. Vegeta never knew who he was because King Cold retired when he was a baby, and since Frieza ran everything, there was no reason for Vegeta to know who King Cold was. Not only wasn't he threat, but he was a valuable ally. Exactly how much stronger is uncertain however. Cooler stated literally that Frieza was stronger than him until he used his fifth form. King Cold is easily the strongest member of his species. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. all you people who say Cooler is the strongest of his race followed by Frieza or vice versa are all wrong. Cold could almost certainly transform but he wouldn't be stronger than frieza in any form Based on what material? In an official guide, it was shown that as soon as Freeza was born, he already had a power that surpassed that of his father. The existence of King Cold is a RETCON because in-universe it would make more sense for Cold to be the leader since Cold is ACTUALLY the most powerful being in the universe not Frieza. Give Gift; Back to Top; Post by Griffith on May 1, 2017 16:03:59 GMT. Don't remember where I read this but Freeza has an additional form is in order to further suppress his overwhelming power or somethin like that. Cold even gave up his position as the leader of their planet-conquering organisation because Freeza was stronger and more unscrupulously evil than him. Only the English dub of the anime says yes stronger, and that’s an incorrect translation. There is a common belief (I know its not canon feat) that King Cold could transform like Frieza. Like Frieza and Cooler, King Cold's name also refers to low temperatures. We all know what the Viz Manga says and it's generally regarded as the According to the newest Broly movie, King Cold retired and gave control to Frieza, and remember Cooler isn't canon.. and in Future Trunks arc, I think it was established that Frieza had more latent potential but King Cold had trained more or something so he was a bit stronger, and possibly not in his final form, but just speculation. HOW did Future Goku DEFEAT King Cold and Frieza in the Future Trunks timeline of Dragon Ball Z? Apr 30, 2017 2:35:28 GMT Conqueror Geng said: Also, this particular screenshot (was this anime only? Frieza never killed his father, because he still respected him. I think there's a difference between just not bothering to bring him back and wanting to kill him. He was still "Freeza-sama", the unofficial emperor of the universe whose mere name struck fear into the hearts of countless mortals. The story only provides this information for Frieza, who himself said he couldn't control it, and supplementary material provides that the two were born powerful alone. The Daizenshuu indicates that Freeza was the stronger of the two. Freeza is undoubtedly stronger than Cold. He retired from the day to day operations of his Empire and handed it over to Frieza, where it was renamed the Frieza Force. Not only does he mention his "parents", but he mentions them in reference to Goku's power being strong enough to cause him to dust himself off in his true form. Video games have shown King Cold to be able to use the Death Cannon and also the Death Beam. 1 of 2 Go to page. It works like this: Frieza (Dragon Ball Super) > Cooler > Frieza (Dragon Ball Z). Obviously, he still needs to be much weaker than Super Saiyan Trunks. Cold isnt stronger. Frieza is superior to Cooler in every form, unless Cooler uses his final form. What's the point of him being so powerful if he also has a father who is of similar or slightly higher power? Freeza is stronger than King Cold. His power is such that, according to him, it is physically impossible for him to regress to the first form of … Probably not; I never got the impression that Mecha-Frieza was significantly stronger than he was before (if he was Gohan certainly would have said something about it). He is stated by himself and in a guide El Manga Legendario to be stronger than he was on Namek. So Frieza is stronger. Frieza was surpressed when they said cold was stronger but frieza is actually stronger. I got the sense that Freeza had respect for him in just the fact Cold was his father. Because he wasn't revealed til after the Frieza arc ended. This topic is about the strength of King Cold, Mecha-Frieza, Trunks, and Goku. Freeza is first allowed by Vegeta to transform, and then he transformed the next two times just as an excessive show of power. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. I doubt Freeza cared about having an official title like "King" or whatever. Lord_of_BeefDip 8 years ago #31. So I was wondering who really is the strongest out of the two. One that fits this example; Frieza said after his transformations he cannot revert back. Why where the Androids stronger than Mecha Frieza? Quote. It's implied that Frieza got stronger with the upgrades and that King Cold is a couple notches above his son's final form, in order to keep him in check. The only reason why he got involved was that his son was in danger on Namek, and he intended to help aid him, which led to him going to Earth alongside Frieza which resulted in his death. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Cold isn't stronger than Freeza. Freeza is the strongest. it's possible he was actually properly retired just sitting in a palace on a random world living the hedonist life whilst his son sated his appetite for conquest on the known universe, cold doesn't oppose frieza in anyway so there's no need to kill him. [Normally] but as you know, DBZ has many hole in their story. Furthermore, at this point, Frieza had received a boost in power from his mecha form. In the series, Frieza says that he is strongest in the universe. His skin is darker than Frieza but lighter than Cooler's. Go. FACT: King Cold is stronger than Frieza and Cooler; User Info: Lord_of_BeefDip. Cooler’s strength is interesting. The fact that Frieza, one of the most tyrannical characters, actually obeys King Cold is very telling. Canonically, he wanted to retire and passed it down to his son, so whether he was stronger or not would be irrelevant anyways. Thread starter Trollasaur; Start date Aug 8, 2013; 1; 2; Next. King Cold has been stated to be stronger than both Frieza and Cooler, though the Daizenshuu states he is "somewhat inferior to Frieza," likely due to him only being in second form. All official sources establish Freeza as still being the most powerful. they're both weaker than cooler. Also, the new Broly movie starts with King Cold handing power of his army over to Freeza. Which made Yamcha sense that King Cold was stronger, however, Gohan literally states what they are sensing is just the tip of Freeza's strength. Mecha Frieza has had a tough power to gauge here. Well, we really don't know much about their relationship. 0. He retired from the day to day operations of his Empire and handed it over to Frieza, where it was renamed the Frieza Force. I get the feeling it might be up and down through some sources but would him transforming make him stronger. Much like folks in organized crime often feel attachment to their elders. Cold likely retired to some planet somewhere and chilled while Frieza ran the Empire. Why be a King when you can be the Emperor? That’s not true, since every official source says that Freeza is stronger than his father. Because he wasn't worried after Trunks killed Frieza so easily, he just seemed like laughing about it which suggested he was much stronger than Frieza. Select Post; Deselect Post; Link to Post; Member. We don't know if cold was stronger than Freeza. cold to frieza is like Trunks to Vegeta lol. That’s why Frieza was made leader of the force when he was so young. Cold himself said that frieza was even more cold-hearted then himself. besides we have no idea how strong they were in relation to each other, we know they were described as two huge power levels, so i assume he was stronger than any z fighter on earth but perhaps not on par with final form frieza. Mecha Freeza had suppressed his power and King Cold did not when arriving on Earth. I even called him "daddy", showing a certain respect! As it stands there is no direct comparison between the two other than "King Cold is also pretty strong too, bro", so there isn't much to dig up on the subject. The game Budokai Tenkaichi 3 states that "Officially, King Cold's strength is greater than Frieza or Cooler's". The manga says they’re close in power and then Gohan says Frieza’s power gets even higher. The only reason why he got involved was that his son was in danger on Namek, and he intended to help aid him, which led to him going to Earth alongside Frieza … King Cold possess horns that have lines on them.At the time when his role as emperor of the Cold … King Cold IS /suppose/ to be the strongest. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. It's never been said Cold is stronger, so your complaint is meaningless outright. King Cold is Stronger than Frieza The (Viz) manga does not contain the majority of these statements (as some come from filler scenes), but it does not contradict them either. Well, after transforming into his 3rd (1st one being regular) he said something along the … I'll tell you why: because the existence of King Cold is RETCON. However, there is nothing conclusive to say that King Cold is stronger. He was caught completely off guard. How Strong REALLY is King Cold in Dragon Ball Z? 3 years ago. I'm not going to argue the power dynamic between the two, but in terms of claim to the empire it's made clear that he retired and gave control of his army to Freeza. Appearance, Personality, and Abilities File:180px-ColdKingCold.png King Cold ranks among the tallest villains in the Dragon Ball universe, and his physical appearance is very similar to his sons, looking nearly identical to Frieza's second form. Goku loses. Cold likely retired to some planet somewhere and chilled while Frieza ran the Empire. There's even a scene in the broly movie where as soon as frieza was old enough, he introduced him, and retired, thus turning the cold force into the frieza force. King Cold's height is inconsistent, at his smallest his height is similar to to that of second form Frieza, while at his largest King Cold ranks among the tallest villains in the Dragon Ball universe - with Mecha Frieza only reaching his knee. Goku just got back to Earth from Yardrat. king cold because his power level is between 130,000,000-155,000,000 whlie frieza s was only 120,000,000-145,000,000 mecha frieza 150,000,000 ): Yeah, that moment only ever appeared in the anime. Frieza said he was the strongest right in front of his father and cold didn't object. Cold was the head of their family's organization only until Freeza came into the picture, after which he stepped into the shadows. I was wondering who was truly stronger out of the two. This clearly establishes that "they" (or just Cold as revealed later by Toriyama) were powerful in their own right way before we get that bit of dialogue commenting on Cold's power at the beginning of the Artificial Humans arc. The only hint of his strength is that the Z fighter sensed another huge power level. His physical appearance is very similar to his sons', looking nearly identical to Frieza in his second form. Trucks made both of them an absolute joke and their power was never touched on in any official capacity and his ability to transform or not is purely speculation. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Edit: Actually, probably around ssj Goku's level if not a little stronger. King Cold is weaker than his son, and the Super Broly movie pretty much explains why he was no longer running the show. Mecha Frieza vs King cold - Page 13. Who saved him when he was half-dead, floating in space? We all know that King Cold was stronger than the suppressed Mecha-Frieza, but all evidence points toward King Cold being vastly superior to even 100% Frieza. Stronger than Yamcha, weaker than Goku. it's also possible frieza despite being stronger couldn't kill him easily, as frieza struggled in his final and full power forms with energy and stamina which is why he spent most of his time in a suppressed state, his father shows no signs of using transformations so it's possible he's a bit weaker than full power frieza but more in control of his power. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! This was never established nor stated. Join Community. Since Trunks defeated him before he could show his true power, however, one could assume that he would have won if not for his … That's why I say it can't be anything other than a retcon. More importantly though, why are you so upset about it? A discussion-dedicated Dragon Ball subreddit. 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